they always say, don't talk about politics and don't talk about religion. any advice for families out there that will be sitting around the dining room table? >> i think that the advice is to understand that they're sitting together and that, in fact, they're celebrating this day, the birth of jesus for the christian faith, in a way that suggests that you know what? there is something bigger than all of us. and again, when you -- is where the intersection of politics and religion becomes so real for me. when you ask people, does god have a plan for you? overwhelmingly, affiliated, atheists, christian, jew, it doesn't matter, they all say yes in this country. that's very strong about americans. the second thing is they believe that god has a plan for america, that we are somehow guided by divine providence. so i think there is a real intersection of the idea that this is the most religious nation of all the advanced countries, the western country countries in the world, the united states, and that we have this strong connection to god, even in the midst of o